Fragrance comparison

4711 Carat vs Black Suede

Notes, accords, longevity, sillage, seasons and community ratings, side by side.

Updated 25 Oct 2026 569 ratings analysed

4711 Carat

Muelhens

4.339 votes

Rank #40,047 AnimalicMusky

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41%scent match

Some overlap

Black Suede

Avon

3.88560 votes

Rank #25,815 MuskyAmber

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Quick verdict

Which one should you pick?

No clear winner: the 4 categories split 2–2.

4711 Carat
Choose it for a animalic and musky character. Wins on longevity and sillage & projection. Best in spring, evening wear.
Black Suede
Choose it for a musky and amber character. Wins on value for money and fragranxe ranking. Best in winter.

4711 Carat2/4

Black Suede2/4

Ratings & consensus: Not scored
Community sentiment: Not scored
Longevity: 4711 Carat
Sillage & projection: 4711 Carat
Value for money: Black Suede
Versatility: Not scored
Note pyramid (duration): Not scored
Fragranxe ranking: Black Suede

Head-to-head breakdown

Every category side by side, with the winner called out.

Fragrance

4711 CaratMuelhens

Black SuedeAvon

Winner

Ratings & consensus

Average rating and ownership split

4.33/ 5 · 9 votes

Have 37%Had 9%Want 53%

3.88/ 5 · 560 votes

Have 63%Had 37%Want 0%

Category winnerNot enough dataRating weighted by vote count

Community sentiment

How voters split from love to hate

44%Love

44%Like

11%Ok

0%Dislike

0%Hate

9 votes · too few to score

26%Love

51%Like

8%Ok

12%Dislike

2%Hate

560 votes

Category winnerNot enough dataMost positive mix (25+ votes)

Longevity & sillage

0–100 community performance scores

⏱ Longevity80

〰 Sillage79

♥ Love / hate83

⏱ Longevity62

〰 Sillage55

♥ Love / hate72

Category winners

Longevity4711 Carat

Sillage4711 Carat

Value for money

How fairly priced voters find it

¤ Price value83

¤ Price value88

Category winnerBlack SuedeBest value score

Main accords

Strength of each scent family · outlined = shared by both

animalic100%

musky92%

powdery84%

sweet77%

floral69%

amber61%

musky100%

amber92%

powdery84%

woody77%

warm spicy69%

fresh spicy61%

Scent match41%Some overlap · both musky, powdery and amber

Note pyramid (duration)

Top, heart and base, with how long each lasts when known · gold = shared

Top15-30 mins

VanillaAldehydesBlood OrangeSpun Sugar

Heart3-4 hrs

VioletLeatherCorianderCarnationTobaccoJasmineRose

Base8-12 hrs

Synthetic CivetMuskBalsamic NotesAmbergris

Top

NutmegAldehydesCarnationCorianderGreen NotesBergamot

Heart

CloveOrrisLeatherVetiverRoseLavenderHeliotropeThyme

Base

MuskAmberWoodsy NotesOakmossCivetSuedeOpoponaxAnise

InformationalShared notesAldehydes, Leather, Coriander and Carnation. Durations are only published for 4711 Carat, so this is not scored.

Seasons & time of day

Relative to each fragrance's best season

Spring100

Summer17

Fall100

Winter83

Day44

Night100

Spring42

Summer25

Fall0

Winter100

Day–

Night–

Category winnerNot enough dataMost year-round

Who wears it

Gender appeal votes

Men0

Unisex0

Women100

Date 44%Party 28%Casual 16%Work 13%

Men84

Unisex12

Women5

InformationalProfile onlyAudience is not scored

Ranking & credits

Fragranxe overall rank, nose and launch

Overall rank#40,047

PerfumerNot listed

Launched—

Reviews1

Overall rank#25,815

PerfumerNot listed

Launched—

Reviews0

Category winnerBlack SuedeHigher overall rank

In a nutshell

Description & review snapshot

4711 Carat by Muelhens smells like a lavish artifact from 1938 brought back to life. It hits the skin with fizzy aldehydes, sweet blood orange, and a curious touch of spun sugar. The sweetness fades fast. Within twenty minutes, powdery violet, clove-tinged carnation, and dry tobacco emerge over dark leather jackets an…

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Avon Black Suede opens with a sharp burst of soapy aldehydes, spicy nutmeg, and crisp carnation. Within fifteen minutes, the initial brightness settles into a darker heart of warm clove, aromatic lavender, and herbal thyme. The dry down hugs the skin with powdery amber, mossy oakmoss, and soft suede musk. It sits warm…

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InformationalRead bothTaste is personal

How we score: ratings blend public fragrance ratings with Fragranxe member votes; longevity, sillage, value and sentiment are community vote scores, and season bars are relative to each fragrance's strongest season. Categories with too little data are shown but not scored. The scent match weighs accord overlap (60%) and shared notes (40%). More in the FAQ.

Common questions

Straight answers from the data above.

Which is better, 4711 Carat or Black Suede?

No clear winner: the 4 categories split 2–2. 4711 Carat is rated 4.33/5 from 9 votes; Black Suede is rated 3.88/5 from 560 votes. Choose 4711 Carat for a animalic and musky character. Wins on longevity and sillage & projection. Best in spring, evening wear. Choose Black Suede for a musky and amber character. Wins on value for money and fragranxe ranking. Best in winter.

Which lasts longer, 4711 Carat or Black Suede?

4711 Carat lasts longest (4711 Carat 80/100, Black Suede 62/100), based on community performance votes.

Which projects more, 4711 Carat or Black Suede?

4711 Carat projects furthest (4711 Carat 79/100, Black Suede 55/100), based on community performance votes.

Do 4711 Carat and Black Suede smell similar?

Some overlap: a 41% scent match on Fragranxe. Both share musky, powdery and amber accords. Common notes include Aldehydes, Leather, Coriander and Carnation.

Is 4711 Carat or Black Suede better for summer or winter?

4711 Carat suits evening wear. Based on community season votes.

What are the notes in 4711 Carat and Black Suede?

4711 Carat has top notes of Vanilla, Aldehydes, Blood Orange and Spun Sugar, heart notes of Violet, Leather, Coriander and Carnation, a base of Synthetic Civet, Musk, Balsamic Notes and Ambergris. Black Suede has top notes of Nutmeg, Aldehydes, Carnation and Coriander, heart notes of Clove, Orris, Leather and Vetiver, a base of Musk, Amber, Woodsy Notes and Oakmoss.