Fragrance comparison

4711 Carat vs Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23

Notes, accords, longevity, sillage, seasons and community ratings, side by side.

Updated 25 Oct 2026 18 ratings analysed

4711 Carat

Muelhens

4.339 votes

Rank #40,047 AnimalicMusky

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34%scent match

Clearly different

Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23

Roja Dove

4.449 votes

Rank #36,544 WoodyWhite Floral

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Quick verdict

Which one should you pick?

No clear winner: the 2 categories split 1–1.

4711 Carat
Choose it for a animalic and musky character. Wins on sillage & projection. Best in spring, evening wear.
Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23
Choose it for a woody and white floral character. Wins on fragranxe ranking. Best in spring, evening wear.

4711 Carat1/2

Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 231/2

Ratings & consensus: Not scored
Community sentiment: Not scored
Longevity: Not scored
Sillage & projection: 4711 Carat
Value for money: Not scored
Versatility: Not scored
Note pyramid (duration): Not scored
Fragranxe ranking: Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23

Head-to-head breakdown

Every category side by side, with the winner called out.

Fragrance

4711 CaratMuelhens

Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23Roja Dove

Winner

Ratings & consensus

Average rating and ownership split

4.33/ 5 · 9 votes

Have 37%Had 9%Want 53%

4.44/ 5 · 9 votes

Have 25%Had 0%Want 75%

Category winnerNot enough dataRating weighted by vote count

Community sentiment

How voters split from love to hate

44%Love

44%Like

11%Ok

0%Dislike

0%Hate

9 votes · too few to score

67%Love

22%Like

0%Ok

11%Dislike

0%Hate

9 votes · too few to score

Category winnerNot enough dataMost positive mix (25+ votes)

Longevity & sillage

0–100 community performance scores

⏱ Longevity80

〰 Sillage79

♥ Love / hate83

⏱ LongevityN/A

〰 Sillage75

♥ Love / hate86

Category winners

LongevityNo data

Sillage4711 Carat

Value for money

How fairly priced voters find it

¤ Price value83

¤ Price valueN/A

Category winnerNot enough dataBest value score

Main accords

Strength of each scent family · outlined = shared by both

animalic100%

musky92%

powdery84%

sweet77%

floral69%

amber61%

woody100%

white floral92%

citrus84%

amber77%

powdery69%

animalic61%

Scent match34%Clearly different · both animalic, powdery and amber

Note pyramid (duration)

Top, heart and base, with how long each lasts when known · gold = shared

Top15-30 mins

VanillaAldehydesBlood OrangeSpun Sugar

Heart3-4 hrs

VioletLeatherCorianderCarnationTobaccoJasmineRose

Base8-12 hrs

Synthetic CivetMuskBalsamic NotesAmbergris

Top

Mandarin OrangeAldehydesBergamotOrange Blossom

Heart

JasmineClovesRoseYlang-YlangViolet

Base

SandalwoodBenzoinCedarVetiverOakmossTobaccoLeatherCivet

InformationalShared notesAldehydes, Violet, Leather and Tobacco. Durations are only published for 4711 Carat, so this is not scored.

Seasons & time of day

Relative to each fragrance's best season

Spring100

Summer17

Fall100

Winter83

Day44

Night100

Spring100

Summer0

Fall100

Winter100

Day–

Night100

Category winnerNot enough dataMost year-round

Who wears it

Gender appeal votes

Men0

Unisex0

Women100

Date 44%Party 28%Casual 16%Work 13%

Not enough votes yet

InformationalProfile onlyAudience is not scored

Ranking & credits

Fragranxe overall rank, nose and launch

Overall rank#40,047

PerfumerNot listed

Launched—

Reviews1

Overall rank#36,544

PerfumerRoja Dove

Launched—

Reviews1

Category winnerPierre de Velay Extrait No. 23Higher overall rank

In a nutshell

Description & review snapshot

4711 Carat by Muelhens smells like a lavish artifact from 1938 brought back to life. It hits the skin with fizzy aldehydes, sweet blood orange, and a curious touch of spun sugar. The sweetness fades fast. Within twenty minutes, powdery violet, clove-tinged carnation, and dry tobacco emerge over dark leather jackets an…

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Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23 reads as an old-school floral chypre with a bright citrus and aldehydic lift, then settles into a warmer, more sensual mix of white florals, oakmoss, woods, leather, and soft sweetness. It feels polished, vintage-leaning, and quite dressed up, especially if you enjoy rich florals with a …

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InformationalRead bothTaste is personal

How we score: ratings blend public fragrance ratings with Fragranxe member votes; longevity, sillage, value and sentiment are community vote scores, and season bars are relative to each fragrance's strongest season. Categories with too little data are shown but not scored. The scent match weighs accord overlap (60%) and shared notes (40%). More in the FAQ.

Common questions

Straight answers from the data above.

Which is better, 4711 Carat or Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23?

No clear winner: the 2 categories split 1–1. 4711 Carat is rated 4.33/5 from 9 votes; Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23 is rated 4.44/5 from 9 votes. Choose 4711 Carat for a animalic and musky character. Wins on sillage & projection. Best in spring, evening wear. Choose Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23 for a woody and white floral character. Wins on fragranxe ranking. Best in spring, evening wear.

Which projects more, 4711 Carat or Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23?

4711 Carat projects furthest (4711 Carat 79/100, Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23 75/100), based on community performance votes.

Do 4711 Carat and Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23 smell similar?

Clearly different: a 34% scent match on Fragranxe. Both share animalic, powdery and amber accords. Common notes include Aldehydes, Violet, Leather and Tobacco.

Is 4711 Carat or Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23 better for summer or winter?

4711 Carat suits evening wear; Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23 suits evening wear. Based on community season votes.

What are the notes in 4711 Carat and Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23?

4711 Carat has top notes of Vanilla, Aldehydes, Blood Orange and Spun Sugar, heart notes of Violet, Leather, Coriander and Carnation, a base of Synthetic Civet, Musk, Balsamic Notes and Ambergris. Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23 has top notes of Mandarin Orange, Aldehydes, Bergamot and Orange Blossom, heart notes of Jasmine, Cloves, Rose and Ylang-Ylang, a base of Sandalwood, Benzoin, Cedar and Vetiver.