Fragrance comparison

4711 Carat vs Pierre de Velay No. 23

Notes, accords, longevity, sillage, seasons and community ratings, side by side.

Updated 25 Oct 2026 47 ratings analysed

3 wins

4711 Carat

Muelhens

4.339 votes

Rank #40,047 AnimalicMusky

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53%scent match

Some overlap

Pierre de Velay No. 23

Roja Dove

4.1138 votes

Rank #15,483 AmberWoody

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Quick verdict

Which one should you pick?

4711 Carat takes 3 of 4 categories.

4711 Carat
Choose it for a animalic and musky character. Wins on longevity, sillage & projection and value for money. Best in spring, evening wear.
Pierre de Velay No. 23
Choose it for a amber and woody character. Wins on fragranxe ranking. Best in spring, evening wear.

4711 Carat3/4

Pierre de Velay No. 231/4

Ratings & consensus: Not scored
Community sentiment: Not scored
Longevity: 4711 Carat
Sillage & projection: 4711 Carat
Value for money: 4711 Carat
Versatility: Not scored
Note pyramid (duration): Not scored
Fragranxe ranking: Pierre de Velay No. 23

Head-to-head breakdown

Every category side by side, with the winner called out.

Fragrance

4711 CaratMuelhens

Pierre de Velay No. 23Roja Dove

Winner

Ratings & consensus

Average rating and ownership split

4.33/ 5 · 9 votes

Have 37%Had 9%Want 53%

4.11/ 5 · 38 votes

Have 35%Had 11%Want 54%

Category winnerNot enough dataRating weighted by vote count

Community sentiment

How voters split from love to hate

44%Love

44%Like

11%Ok

0%Dislike

0%Hate

9 votes · too few to score

53%Love

24%Like

8%Ok

13%Dislike

3%Hate

38 votes

Category winnerNot enough dataMost positive mix (25+ votes)

Longevity & sillage

0–100 community performance scores

⏱ Longevity80

〰 Sillage79

♥ Love / hate83

⏱ Longevity75

〰 Sillage61

♥ Love / hate78

Category winners

Longevity4711 Carat

Sillage4711 Carat

Value for money

How fairly priced voters find it

¤ Price value83

¤ Price value38

Category winner4711 CaratBest value score

Main accords

Strength of each scent family · outlined = shared by both

animalic100%

musky92%

powdery84%

sweet77%

floral69%

amber61%

amber100%

woody92%

animalic84%

musky77%

powdery69%

white floral61%

Scent match53%Some overlap · both animalic, musky and amber

Note pyramid (duration)

Top, heart and base, with how long each lasts when known · gold = shared

Top15-30 mins

VanillaAldehydesBlood OrangeSpun Sugar

Heart3-4 hrs

VioletLeatherCorianderCarnationTobaccoJasmineRose

Base8-12 hrs

Synthetic CivetMuskBalsamic NotesAmbergris

Top

AldehydesBergamotMandarin Orange

Heart

Ylang-YlangJasmineVioletRose de MaiOrange Blossom

Base

AmbergrisCivetLabdanumLeatherMuskCedarOakmossTobacco

InformationalShared notesAldehydes, Violet, Leather and Tobacco. Durations are only published for 4711 Carat, so this is not scored.

Seasons & time of day

Relative to each fragrance's best season

Spring100

Summer17

Fall100

Winter83

Day44

Night100

Spring100

Summer31

Fall100

Winter77

Day83

Night100

Category winnerNot enough dataMost year-round

Who wears it

Gender appeal votes

Men0

Unisex0

Women100

Date 44%Party 28%Casual 16%Work 13%

Men11

Unisex68

Women21

InformationalProfile onlyAudience is not scored

Ranking & credits

Fragranxe overall rank, nose and launch

Overall rank#40,047

PerfumerNot listed

Launched—

Reviews1

Overall rank#15,483

PerfumerRoja Dove

Launched—

Reviews8

Category winnerPierre de Velay No. 23Higher overall rank

In a nutshell

Description & review snapshot

4711 Carat by Muelhens smells like a lavish artifact from 1938 brought back to life. It hits the skin with fizzy aldehydes, sweet blood orange, and a curious touch of spun sugar. The sweetness fades fast. Within twenty minutes, powdery violet, clove-tinged carnation, and dry tobacco emerge over dark leather jackets an…

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Pierre de Velay No. 23 opens with bright aldehydes and soft citrus, then quickly settles into a powdery floral heart of ylang-ylang, jasmine, violet, rose and orange blossom. The real twist is underneath, where amber, leather, tobacco and animalic notes give it a darker, more intimate edge. It suits someone who enjoys…

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InformationalRead bothTaste is personal

How we score: ratings blend public fragrance ratings with Fragranxe member votes; longevity, sillage, value and sentiment are community vote scores, and season bars are relative to each fragrance's strongest season. Categories with too little data are shown but not scored. The scent match weighs accord overlap (60%) and shared notes (40%). More in the FAQ.

Common questions

Straight answers from the data above.

Which is better, 4711 Carat or Pierre de Velay No. 23?

4711 Carat takes 3 of 4 categories. 4711 Carat is rated 4.33/5 from 9 votes; Pierre de Velay No. 23 is rated 4.11/5 from 38 votes. Choose 4711 Carat for a animalic and musky character. Wins on longevity, sillage & projection and value for money. Best in spring, evening wear. Choose Pierre de Velay No. 23 for a amber and woody character. Wins on fragranxe ranking. Best in spring, evening wear.

Which lasts longer, 4711 Carat or Pierre de Velay No. 23?

4711 Carat lasts longest (4711 Carat 80/100, Pierre de Velay No. 23 75/100), based on community performance votes.

Which projects more, 4711 Carat or Pierre de Velay No. 23?

4711 Carat projects furthest (4711 Carat 79/100, Pierre de Velay No. 23 61/100), based on community performance votes.

Do 4711 Carat and Pierre de Velay No. 23 smell similar?

Some overlap: a 53% scent match on Fragranxe. Both share animalic, musky and amber accords. Common notes include Aldehydes, Violet, Leather and Tobacco.

Is 4711 Carat or Pierre de Velay No. 23 better for summer or winter?

4711 Carat suits evening wear; Pierre de Velay No. 23 suits evening wear. Based on community season votes.

What are the notes in 4711 Carat and Pierre de Velay No. 23?

4711 Carat has top notes of Vanilla, Aldehydes, Blood Orange and Spun Sugar, heart notes of Violet, Leather, Coriander and Carnation, a base of Synthetic Civet, Musk, Balsamic Notes and Ambergris. Pierre de Velay No. 23 has top notes of Aldehydes, Bergamot and Mandarin Orange, heart notes of Ylang-Ylang, Jasmine, Violet and Rose de Mai, a base of Ambergris, Civet, Labdanum and Leather.