Fragrance comparison

84 - Youth, But Not Innocence vs Stoner

Notes, accords, longevity, sillage, seasons and community ratings, side by side.

Updated 20 Oct 2026 33 ratings analysed

1 wins

84 - Youth, But Not Innocence

OSM

3.7033 votes

Rank #22,157 WoodyWhite Floral

Full profile Similar & dupes

57%scent match

Closely related

Stoner

Leland Francis

—0 votes

Rank #75,391 SmokyWoody

Full profile Similar & dupes

Quick verdict

Which one should you pick?

84 - Youth, But Not Innocence takes 1 of 1 categories.

84 - Youth, But Not Innocence
Choose it for a woody and white floral character. Wins on fragranxe ranking. Best in fall, evening wear.
Stoner
Choose it for a smoky and woody character. Best in fall, evening wear.

84 - Youth, But Not Innocence1/1

Stoner0/1

Ratings & consensus: Not scored
Community sentiment: Not scored
Longevity: Not scored
Sillage & projection: Not scored
Value for money: Not scored
Versatility: Not scored
Note pyramid (duration): Not scored
Fragranxe ranking: 84 - Youth, But Not Innocence

Head-to-head breakdown

Every category side by side, with the winner called out.

Fragrance

84 - Youth, But Not InnocenceOSM

StonerLeland Francis

Winner

Ratings & consensus

Average rating and ownership split

3.70/ 5 · 33 votes

Have 26%Had 9%Want 65%

—/ 5 · 0 votes

Have 0%Had 17%Want 83%

Category winnerNot enough dataRating weighted by vote count

Community sentiment

How voters split from love to hate

42%Love

15%Like

21%Ok

12%Dislike

9%Hate

33 votes

Not enough votes yet

Category winnerNot enough dataMost positive mix (25+ votes)

Longevity & sillage

0–100 community performance scores

⏱ Longevity58

〰 Sillage59

♥ Love / hate67

⏱ LongevityN/A

〰 SillageN/A

♥ Love / hateN/A

Category winners

LongevityNo data

SillageNo data

Value for money

How fairly priced voters find it

¤ Price value25

¤ Price valueN/A

Category winnerNot enough dataBest value score

Main accords

Strength of each scent family · outlined = shared by both

woody100%

white floral92%

smoky84%

leather77%

fresh spicy69%

animalic61%

smoky100%

woody86%

leather72%

citrus58%

animalic44%

aromatic30%

Scent match57%Closely related · both woody, smoky and leather

Note pyramid (duration)

Top, heart and base, with how long each lasts when known · gold = shared

Notes

JasmineLeatherSmokedark woodsy notesBlack PepperVetiverNeroliHayPatchouli

No top / heart / base split published

Top15-30 mins

Neroli

Heart2-4 hrs

SmokePalo Santo

Base6-8+ hrs

Leather

InformationalShared notesLeather, Smoke and Neroli. Durations are only published for Stoner, so this is not scored.

Seasons & time of day

Relative to each fragrance's best season

Spring29

Summer29

Fall100

Winter71

Day33

Night100

Spring0

Summer0

Fall100

Winter100

Day37

Night100

Category winnerNot enough dataMost year-round

Who wears it

Gender appeal votes

Men0

Unisex50

Women50

Men100

Unisex0

Women0

Date 38%Party 27%Casual 21%Work 14%

InformationalProfile onlyAudience is not scored

Ranking & credits

Fragranxe overall rank, nose and launch

Overall rank#22,157

PerfumerKyle Mott-Kannenberg

Launched—

Reviews7

Overall rank#75,391

PerfumerNot listed

Launched—

Reviews0

Category winner84 - Youth, But Not InnocenceHigher overall rank

In a nutshell

Description & review snapshot

OSM 84 Youth, But Not Innocence opens with a sharp flash of black pepper and green neroli before revealing a thick, indolic jasmine heart. A dense base of worn leather, dark woods, and damp patchouli anchors the floral sweetness. The overall composition leans smoky and nocturnal, balancing the animalic weight of raw l…

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Stoner by Leland Francis takes an earthy, resinous approach to the classic leather fragrance profile. The first spray brings a momentary flash of bitter neroli citrus. Do not expect sweet fruit. That bright green citrus cuts through an immediate wave of dense birch-like smoke and sacred palo santo wood. The incense fe…

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InformationalRead bothTaste is personal

How we score: ratings blend public fragrance ratings with Fragranxe member votes; longevity, sillage, value and sentiment are community vote scores, and season bars are relative to each fragrance's strongest season. Categories with too little data are shown but not scored. The scent match weighs accord overlap (60%) and shared notes (40%). More in the FAQ.

Common questions

Straight answers from the data above.

Do 84 - Youth, But Not Innocence and Stoner smell similar?

Closely related: a 57% scent match on Fragranxe. Both share woody, smoky and leather accords. Common notes include Leather, Smoke and Neroli.

Is 84 - Youth, But Not Innocence or Stoner better for summer or winter?

84 - Youth, But Not Innocence suits evening wear; Stoner suits evening wear. Based on community season votes.

What are the notes in 84 - Youth, But Not Innocence and Stoner?

84 - Youth, But Not Innocence features Jasmine, Leather, Smoke, dark woodsy notes and Black Pepper. Stoner has top notes of Neroli, heart notes of Smoke and Palo Santo, a base of Leather.