Fragrance comparison

Belief Black vs Zen White Heat Edition

Notes, accords, longevity, sillage, seasons and community ratings, side by side.

Updated 16 Oct 2026 462 ratings analysed

3 wins

Belief Black

Marc Joseph

4.0618 votes

Rank #41,168 FruityFloral

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46%scent match

Some overlap

Zen White Heat Edition

Shiseido

3.87444 votes

Rank #27,260 FloralFruity

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Quick verdict

Which one should you pick?

Belief Black takes 3 of 5 categories.

Belief Black
Choose it for a fruity and floral character. Wins on longevity, sillage & projection and value for money. Best in fall, evening wear.
Zen White Heat Edition
Choose it for a floral and fruity character. Wins on ratings & consensus and fragranxe ranking. Best in spring.

Belief Black3/5

Zen White Heat Edition2/5

Ratings & consensus: Zen White Heat Edition
Community sentiment: Not scored
Longevity: Belief Black
Sillage & projection: Belief Black
Value for money: Belief Black
Versatility: Not scored
Note pyramid (duration): Not scored
Fragranxe ranking: Zen White Heat Edition

Head-to-head breakdown

Every category side by side, with the winner called out.

Fragrance

Belief BlackMarc Joseph

Zen White Heat EditionShiseido

Winner

Ratings & consensus

Average rating and ownership split

4.06/ 5 · 18 votes

Have 49%Had 2%Want 49%

3.87/ 5 · 444 votes

Have 54%Had 46%Want 0%

Category winnerZen White Heat EditionRating weighted by vote count

Community sentiment

How voters split from love to hate

44%Love

33%Like

6%Ok

17%Dislike

0%Hate

18 votes · too few to score

25%Love

56%Like

1%Ok

18%Dislike

0%Hate

444 votes

Category winnerNot enough dataMost positive mix (25+ votes)

Longevity & sillage

0–100 community performance scores

⏱ Longevity66

〰 Sillage61

♥ Love / hate76

⏱ Longevity62

〰 Sillage56

♥ Love / hate72

Category winners

LongevityBelief Black

SillageBelief Black

Value for money

How fairly priced voters find it

¤ Price value68

¤ Price value54

Category winnerBelief BlackBest value score

Main accords

Strength of each scent family · outlined = shared by both

fruity100%

floral88%

fresh77%

sweet65%

rose53%

animalic42%

floral100%

fruity92%

citrus84%

aromatic77%

fresh spicy69%

rose61%

Scent match46%Some overlap · both fruity, floral and rose

Note pyramid (duration)

Top, heart and base, with how long each lasts when known · gold = shared

Top15-30 mins

Black CurrantRaspberry

Heart2-4 hrs

Peony

Base6-8 hrs

AmberLeatherWhite Musk

Top

BergamotBlack CurrantCorianderRaspberry

Heart

HyacinthJasminePeonyFreesiaMagnoliaRose

Base

MuskSandalwoodAmber

InformationalShared notesBlack Currant, Raspberry, Peony and Amber. Durations are only published for Belief Black, so this is not scored.

Seasons & time of day

Relative to each fragrance's best season

Spring75

Summer50

Fall100

Winter100

Day41

Night100

Spring100

Summer0

Fall0

Winter31

Day–

Night–

Category winnerNot enough dataMost year-round

Who wears it

Gender appeal votes

Men0

Unisex10

Women90

Date 36%Party 30%Casual 20%Work 14%

Men3

Unisex3

Women95

InformationalProfile onlyAudience is not scored

Ranking & credits

Fragranxe overall rank, nose and launch

Overall rank#41,168

PerfumerNot listed

Launched—

Reviews1

Overall rank#27,260

PerfumerNot listed

Launched—

Reviews0

Category winnerZen White Heat EditionHigher overall rank

In a nutshell

Description & review snapshot

Belief Black by Marc Joseph opens with a tart, juicy rush of black currant and dark raspberry. It wastes no time making an impression. Within minutes, the sharp berry bite settles into a fresh, dewy peony heart that keeps the sweetness from feeling sticky or juvenile. The real backbone arrives in the drydown. A smooth…

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Shiseido Zen White Heat Edition opens with a frosty splash of sour black currant and zesty bergamot, backed by a dry coriander bite. It feels like stepping into a cold, minimalist gallery space filled with fresh cut flowers. As it settles, a clean hyacinth and watery freesia take over, preventing the raspberry from be…

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InformationalRead bothTaste is personal

How we score: ratings blend public fragrance ratings with Fragranxe member votes; longevity, sillage, value and sentiment are community vote scores, and season bars are relative to each fragrance's strongest season. Categories with too little data are shown but not scored. The scent match weighs accord overlap (60%) and shared notes (40%). More in the FAQ.

Common questions

Straight answers from the data above.

Which is better, Belief Black or Zen White Heat Edition?

Belief Black takes 3 of 5 categories. Belief Black is rated 4.06/5 from 18 votes; Zen White Heat Edition is rated 3.87/5 from 444 votes. Choose Belief Black for a fruity and floral character. Wins on longevity, sillage & projection and value for money. Best in fall, evening wear. Choose Zen White Heat Edition for a floral and fruity character. Wins on ratings & consensus and fragranxe ranking. Best in spring.

Which lasts longer, Belief Black or Zen White Heat Edition?

Belief Black lasts longest (Belief Black 66/100, Zen White Heat Edition 62/100), based on community performance votes.

Which projects more, Belief Black or Zen White Heat Edition?

Belief Black projects furthest (Belief Black 61/100, Zen White Heat Edition 56/100), based on community performance votes.

Do Belief Black and Zen White Heat Edition smell similar?

Some overlap: a 46% scent match on Fragranxe. Both share fruity, floral and rose accords. Common notes include Black Currant, Raspberry, Peony and Amber.

Is Belief Black or Zen White Heat Edition better for summer or winter?

Belief Black suits evening wear. Based on community season votes.

What are the notes in Belief Black and Zen White Heat Edition?

Belief Black has top notes of Black Currant and Raspberry, heart notes of Peony, a base of Amber, Leather and White Musk. Zen White Heat Edition has top notes of Bergamot, Black Currant, Coriander and Raspberry, heart notes of Hyacinth, Jasmine, Peony and Freesia, a base of Musk, Sandalwood and Amber.