Fragrance comparison

Black & Red vs Nº8

Notes, accords, longevity, sillage, seasons and community ratings, side by side.

Updated 28 Oct 2026 37 ratings analysed

3 wins

Black & Red

Mandarina Duck

4.2931 votes

Rank #17,681 AromaticFresh Spicy

Full profile Similar & dupes

37%scent match

Some overlap

Nº8

Helder Machado Perfumes

4.336 votes

Rank #50,318 FruityAromatic

Full profile Similar & dupes

Quick verdict

Which one should you pick?

Black & Red takes 3 of 4 categories.

Black & Red
Choose it for a aromatic and fresh spicy character. Wins on sillage & projection, value for money and fragranxe ranking. Best in spring, daytime wear.
Nº8
Choose it for a fruity and aromatic character. Wins on longevity. Best in spring, daytime wear.

Black & Red3/4

Nº81/4

Ratings & consensus: Not scored
Community sentiment: Not scored
Longevity: Nº8
Sillage & projection: Black & Red
Value for money: Black & Red
Versatility: Not scored
Note pyramid (duration): Not scored
Fragranxe ranking: Black & Red

Head-to-head breakdown

Every category side by side, with the winner called out.

Fragrance

Black & RedMandarina Duck

Nº8Helder Machado Perfumes

Winner

Ratings & consensus

Average rating and ownership split

4.29/ 5 · 31 votes

Have 42%Had 9%Want 49%

4.33/ 5 · 6 votes

Have 9%Had 4%Want 87%

Category winnerNot enough dataRating weighted by vote count

Community sentiment

How voters split from love to hate

52%Love

35%Like

3%Ok

10%Dislike

0%Hate

31 votes

33%Love

67%Like

0%Ok

0%Dislike

0%Hate

6 votes · too few to score

Category winnerNot enough dataMost positive mix (25+ votes)

Longevity & sillage

0–100 community performance scores

⏱ Longevity57

〰 Sillage66

♥ Love / hate82

⏱ Longevity68

〰 Sillage45

♥ Love / hate83

Category winners

LongevityNº8

SillageBlack & Red

Value for money

How fairly priced voters find it

¤ Price value78

¤ Price value69

Category winnerBlack & RedBest value score

Main accords

Strength of each scent family · outlined = shared by both

aromatic100%

fresh spicy92%

woody84%

citrus77%

herbal69%

earthy61%

fruity100%

aromatic92%

aquatic84%

sweet77%

fresh spicy69%

ozonic61%

Scent match37%Some overlap · both aromatic and fresh spicy

Note pyramid (duration)

Top, heart and base, with how long each lasts when known · gold = shared

Top15-30 mins

Violet LeafSicilian Citruses

Heart2-3 hrs

GeraniumOrange BlossomSage

Base5-7 hrs

Tonka BeanMossCedarVetiver

Top

PearOrange BlossomRosemary

Heart

AppleLavenderCardamomBlack Pepper

Base

Violet LeafVetiverMossCedar

InformationalShared notesViolet Leaf, Orange Blossom, Moss and Cedar. Durations are only published for Black & Red, so this is not scored.

Seasons & time of day

Relative to each fragrance's best season

Spring100

Summer48

Fall95

Winter57

Day100

Night69

Spring100

Summer83

Fall67

Winter50

Day100

Night57

Category winnerNot enough dataMost year-round

Who wears it

Gender appeal votes

Men94

Unisex6

Women0

Casual 34%Work 32%Date 20%Party 14%

Men50

Unisex25

Women25

InformationalProfile onlyAudience is not scored

Ranking & credits

Fragranxe overall rank, nose and launch

Overall rank#17,681

PerfumerNathalie Lorson

Launched—

Reviews9

Overall rank#50,318

PerfumerNot listed

Launched—

Reviews0

Category winnerBlack & RedHigher overall rank

In a nutshell

Description & review snapshot

Mandarina Duck Black & Red hits skin with a brisk pop of Sicilian citruses and ozonic violet leaf. The initial blast feels crisp. Within ten minutes, aromatic sage and bitter geranium take over the heart, cutting through any sugary sweetness with green herbal bite. The base settles into warm tonka bean, dry cedar, and…

Reviews →

Helder Machado Perfumes Nº8 opens with a burst of crisp pear, sweet orange blossom, and herbal rosemary. As it settles, fresh apple, lavender, cardamom, and black pepper create a lively heart. The dry-down rests on violet leaf, vetiver, moss, and cedar, delivering a clean woody aromatic feel for daytime office wear.

Reviews →

InformationalRead bothTaste is personal

How we score: ratings blend public fragrance ratings with Fragranxe member votes; longevity, sillage, value and sentiment are community vote scores, and season bars are relative to each fragrance's strongest season. Categories with too little data are shown but not scored. The scent match weighs accord overlap (60%) and shared notes (40%). More in the FAQ.

Common questions

Straight answers from the data above.

Which is better, Black & Red or Nº8?

Black & Red takes 3 of 4 categories. Black & Red is rated 4.29/5 from 31 votes; Nº8 is rated 4.33/5 from 6 votes. Choose Black & Red for a aromatic and fresh spicy character. Wins on sillage & projection, value for money and fragranxe ranking. Best in spring, daytime wear. Choose Nº8 for a fruity and aromatic character. Wins on longevity. Best in spring, daytime wear.

Which lasts longer, Black & Red or Nº8?

Nº8 lasts longest (Nº8 68/100, Black & Red 57/100), based on community performance votes.

Which projects more, Black & Red or Nº8?

Black & Red projects furthest (Black & Red 66/100, Nº8 45/100), based on community performance votes.

Do Black & Red and Nº8 smell similar?

Some overlap: a 37% scent match on Fragranxe. Both share aromatic and fresh spicy accords. Common notes include Violet Leaf, Orange Blossom, Moss and Cedar.

Is Black & Red or Nº8 better for summer or winter?

Black & Red suits daytime wear; Nº8 suits daytime wear. Based on community season votes.

What are the notes in Black & Red and Nº8?

Black & Red has top notes of Violet Leaf and Sicilian Citruses, heart notes of Geranium, Orange Blossom and Sage, a base of Tonka Bean, Moss, Cedar and Vetiver. Nº8 has top notes of Pear, Orange Blossom and Rosemary, heart notes of Apple, Lavender, Cardamom and Black Pepper, a base of Violet Leaf, Vetiver, Moss and Cedar.