Fragrance comparison

Black Suede vs Presence

Notes, accords, longevity, sillage, seasons and community ratings, side by side.

Updated 9 Oct 2026 615 ratings analysed

Black Suede

Avon

3.88560 votes

Rank #24,391 MuskyAmber

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19%scent match

Clearly different

5 wins

Presence

Houbigant

4.1555 votes

Rank #27,761 MossyFloral

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Quick verdict

Which one should you pick?

Presence takes 5 of 7 categories.

Black Suede
Choose it for a musky and amber character. Wins on value for money and fragranxe ranking. Best in winter.
Presence
Choose it for a mossy and floral character. Wins on ratings & consensus, community sentiment and longevity. Best in fall, daytime wear.

Black Suede2/7

Presence5/7

Ratings & consensus: Presence
Community sentiment: Presence
Longevity: Presence
Sillage & projection: Presence
Value for money: Black Suede
Versatility: Presence
Note pyramid (duration): Not scored
Fragranxe ranking: Black Suede

Head-to-head breakdown

Every category side by side, with the winner called out.

Fragrance

Black SuedeAvon

PresenceHoubigant

Winner

Ratings & consensus

Average rating and ownership split

3.88/ 5 · 560 votes

Have 63%Had 37%Want 0%

4.15/ 5 · 55 votes

Have 44%Had 11%Want 45%

Category winnerPresenceRating weighted by vote count

Community sentiment

How voters split from love to hate

26%Love

51%Like

8%Ok

12%Dislike

2%Hate

560 votes

42%Love

44%Like

2%Ok

13%Dislike

0%Hate

55 votes

Category winnerPresenceMost positive mix (25+ votes)

Longevity & sillage

0–100 community performance scores

⏱ Longevity62

〰 Sillage55

♥ Love / hate72

⏱ Longevity68

〰 Sillage62

♥ Love / hate79

Category winners

LongevityPresence

SillagePresence

Value for money

How fairly priced voters find it

¤ Price value88

¤ Price value64

Category winnerBlack SuedeBest value score

Main accords

Strength of each scent family · outlined = shared by both

musky100%

amber92%

powdery84%

woody77%

warm spicy69%

fresh spicy61%

mossy100%

floral92%

earthy84%

woody77%

fresh69%

fruity61%

Scent match19%Clearly different · both woody

Note pyramid (duration)

Top, heart and base, with how long each lasts when known · gold = shared

Top

NutmegAldehydesCarnationCorianderGreen NotesBergamot

Heart

CloveOrrisLeatherVetiverRoseLavenderHeliotropeThyme

Base

MuskAmberWoodsy NotesOakmossCivetSuedeOpoponaxAnise

Top15-30 mins

AppleAldehydesNeroliLemonBergamot

Heart2-4 hrs

OrrisHeliotropeCarnationJasmine

Base6-8+ hrs

OakmossMuskCedarVetiverSpicesAmbergrisPatchouliSandalwood

InformationalShared notesAldehydes, Carnation, Bergamot and Orris. Durations are only published for Presence, so this is not scored.

Seasons & time of day

Relative to each fragrance's best season

Spring42

Summer25

Fall0

Winter100

Day–

Night–

Spring79

Summer50

Fall100

Winter71

Day100

Night64

Category winnerPresenceMost year-round

Who wears it

Gender appeal votes

Men84

Unisex12

Women5

Men7

Unisex20

Women73

Work 41%Casual 28%Date 21%Party 10%

InformationalProfile onlyAudience is not scored

Ranking & credits

Fragranxe overall rank, nose and launch

Overall rank#24,391

PerfumerNot listed

Launched—

Reviews0

Overall rank#27,761

PerfumerRaymond Kling

Launched—

Reviews0

Category winnerBlack SuedeHigher overall rank

In a nutshell

Description & review snapshot

Avon Black Suede opens with a sharp burst of soapy aldehydes, spicy nutmeg, and crisp carnation. Within fifteen minutes, the initial brightness settles into a darker heart of warm clove, aromatic lavender, and herbal thyme. The dry down hugs the skin with powdery amber, mossy oakmoss, and soft suede musk. It sits warm…

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Houbigant Presence is a crisp, historic chypre built on striking contrasts. The first spray releases a brisk wash of tart green apple, fizzy aldehydes, and sharp lemon zest. Give it ten minutes. The top burns off rapidly to reveal a velvety, dry heart of earthy orris root and spicy carnation blossoms. It smells like v…

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InformationalRead bothTaste is personal

How we score: ratings blend public fragrance ratings with Fragranxe member votes; longevity, sillage, value and sentiment are community vote scores, and season bars are relative to each fragrance's strongest season. Categories with too little data are shown but not scored. The scent match weighs accord overlap (60%) and shared notes (40%). More in the FAQ.

Common questions

Straight answers from the data above.

Which is better, Black Suede or Presence?

Presence takes 5 of 7 categories. Black Suede is rated 3.88/5 from 560 votes; Presence is rated 4.15/5 from 55 votes. Choose Black Suede for a musky and amber character. Wins on value for money and fragranxe ranking. Best in winter. Choose Presence for a mossy and floral character. Wins on ratings & consensus, community sentiment and longevity. Best in fall, daytime wear.

Which lasts longer, Black Suede or Presence?

Presence lasts longest (Presence 68/100, Black Suede 62/100), based on community performance votes.

Which projects more, Black Suede or Presence?

Presence projects furthest (Presence 62/100, Black Suede 55/100), based on community performance votes.

Do Black Suede and Presence smell similar?

Clearly different: a 19% scent match on Fragranxe. Both share woody accords. Common notes include Aldehydes, Carnation, Bergamot and Orris.

Is Black Suede or Presence better for summer or winter?

For summer, Presence is the stronger pick. For winter, Black Suede is the stronger pick. Presence suits daytime wear. Based on community season votes.

What are the notes in Black Suede and Presence?

Black Suede has top notes of Nutmeg, Aldehydes, Carnation and Coriander, heart notes of Clove, Orris, Leather and Vetiver, a base of Musk, Amber, Woodsy Notes and Oakmoss. Presence has top notes of Apple, Aldehydes, Neroli and Lemon, heart notes of Orris, Heliotrope, Carnation and Jasmine, a base of Oakmoss, Musk, Cedar and Vetiver.