Fragrance comparison

Black Suede vs Source Saint-Clair

Notes, accords, longevity, sillage, seasons and community ratings, side by side.

Updated 15 Nov 2026 561 ratings analysed

4 wins

Black Suede

Avon

3.88560 votes

Rank #27,843 MuskyAmber

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49%scent match

Some overlap

Source Saint-Clair

Joseph Duclos

4.001 votes

Rank #67,405 AmberWoody

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Quick verdict

Which one should you pick?

Black Suede takes 4 of 4 categories.

Black Suede
Choose it for a musky and amber character. Wins on longevity, sillage & projection and value for money. Best in winter.
Source Saint-Clair
Choose it for a amber and woody character. Best in fall, evening wear.

Black Suede4/4

Source Saint-Clair0/4

Ratings & consensus: Not scored
Community sentiment: Not scored
Longevity: Black Suede
Sillage & projection: Black Suede
Value for money: Black Suede
Versatility: Not scored
Note pyramid (duration): Not scored
Fragranxe ranking: Black Suede

Head-to-head breakdown

Every category side by side, with the winner called out.

Fragrance

Black SuedeAvon

Source Saint-ClairJoseph Duclos

Winner

Ratings & consensus

Average rating and ownership split

3.88/ 5 · 560 votes

Have 63%Had 37%Want 0%

4.00/ 5 · 1 votes

Have 8%Had 4%Want 88%

Category winnerNot enough dataRating weighted by vote count

Community sentiment

How voters split from love to hate

26%Love

51%Like

8%Ok

12%Dislike

2%Hate

560 votes

0%Love

100%Like

0%Ok

0%Dislike

0%Hate

1 vote · too few to score

Category winnerNot enough dataMost positive mix (25+ votes)

Longevity & sillage

0–100 community performance scores

⏱ Longevity62

〰 Sillage55

♥ Love / hate72

⏱ Longevity60

〰 Sillage50

♥ Love / hate75

Category winners

LongevityBlack Suede

SillageBlack Suede

Value for money

How fairly priced voters find it

¤ Price value88

¤ Price value50

Category winnerBlack SuedeBest value score

Main accords

Strength of each scent family · outlined = shared by both

musky100%

amber92%

powdery84%

woody77%

warm spicy69%

fresh spicy61%

amber100%

woody92%

vanilla84%

warm spicy77%

musky69%

floral61%

Scent match49%Some overlap · both amber, musky and woody

Note pyramid (duration)

Top, heart and base, with how long each lasts when known · gold = shared

Top

NutmegAldehydesCarnationCorianderGreen NotesBergamot

Heart

CloveOrrisLeatherVetiverRoseLavenderHeliotropeThyme

Base

MuskAmberWoodsy NotesOakmossCivetSuedeOpoponaxAnise

Top

Calabrian bergamotYlang-YlangJasmineHedioneHeliotropeTimur

Heart

CloveCedar EssenceIndonesian Patchouli LeafPrecious Woods

Base

AmbroxanSiam BenzoinMyrrhOpoponaxTonka BeanVanilla AbsoluteAmbrette (Musk Mallow)Musk

InformationalShared notesBergamot, Clove, Heliotrope and Musk. Note durations are not published for these fragrances, so this is not scored.

Seasons & time of day

Relative to each fragrance's best season

Spring42

Summer25

Fall0

Winter100

Day–

Night–

Spring0

Summer0

Fall100

Winter100

Day–

Night100

Category winnerNot enough dataMost year-round

Who wears it

Gender appeal votes

Men84

Unisex12

Women5

Men0

Unisex0

Women100

InformationalProfile onlyAudience is not scored

Ranking & credits

Fragranxe overall rank, nose and launch

Overall rank#27,843

PerfumerNot listed

Launched—

Reviews0

Overall rank#67,405

PerfumerNathalie Feisthauer

Launched—

Reviews0

Category winnerBlack SuedeHigher overall rank

In a nutshell

Description & review snapshot

Avon Black Suede opens with a sharp burst of soapy aldehydes, spicy nutmeg, and crisp carnation. Within fifteen minutes, the initial brightness settles into a darker heart of warm clove, aromatic lavender, and herbal thyme. The dry down hugs the skin with powdery amber, mossy oakmoss, and soft suede musk. It sits warm…

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Source Saint-Clair opens with a bright splash of Calabrian bergamot and sweet ylang-ylang. The scent quickly settles into a warm, spiced woody heart before melting into a rich base of Siam benzoin and vanilla absolute. It wears as a smooth, resinous option best suited for cozy autumn nights.

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InformationalRead bothTaste is personal

How we score: ratings blend public fragrance ratings with Fragranxe member votes; longevity, sillage, value and sentiment are community vote scores, and season bars are relative to each fragrance's strongest season. Categories with too little data are shown but not scored. The scent match weighs accord overlap (60%) and shared notes (40%). More in the FAQ.

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Common questions

Straight answers from the data above.

Which is better, Black Suede or Source Saint-Clair?

Black Suede takes 4 of 4 categories. Black Suede is rated 3.88/5 from 560 votes; Source Saint-Clair is rated 4.00/5 from 1 votes. Choose Black Suede for a musky and amber character. Wins on longevity, sillage & projection and value for money. Best in winter. Choose Source Saint-Clair for a amber and woody character. Best in fall, evening wear.

Which lasts longer, Black Suede or Source Saint-Clair?

They last about the same: Black Suede 62/100, Source Saint-Clair 60/100 for longevity in community votes.

Which projects more, Black Suede or Source Saint-Clair?

Black Suede projects furthest (Black Suede 55/100, Source Saint-Clair 50/100), based on community performance votes.

Do Black Suede and Source Saint-Clair smell similar?

Some overlap: a 49% scent match on Fragranxe. Both share amber, musky and woody accords. Common notes include Bergamot, Clove, Heliotrope and Musk.

Is Black Suede or Source Saint-Clair better for summer or winter?

Source Saint-Clair suits evening wear. Based on community season votes.

What are the notes in Black Suede and Source Saint-Clair?

Black Suede has top notes of Nutmeg, Aldehydes, Carnation and Coriander, heart notes of Clove, Orris, Leather and Vetiver, a base of Musk, Amber, Woodsy Notes and Oakmoss. Source Saint-Clair has top notes of Calabrian bergamot, Ylang-Ylang, Jasmine and Hedione, heart notes of Clove, Cedar Essence, Indonesian Patchouli Leaf and Precious Woods, a base of Ambroxan, Siam Benzoin, Myrrh and Opoponax.