Fragrance comparison

Écrin de Fumée vs Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses

Notes, accords, longevity, sillage, seasons and community ratings, side by side.

Updated 26 Oct 2026 1,553 ratings analysed

Écrin de Fumée

Serge Lutens

4.171,515 votes

Rank #25,026 WoodyCacao

Full profile Similar & dupes

31%scent match

Clearly different

5 wins

Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses

Les Indemodables

4.3438 votes

Rank #13,638 LeatherWarm Spicy

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Quick verdict

Which one should you pick?

Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses takes 5 of 7 categories.

Écrin de Fumée
Choose it for a woody and cacao character. Wins on ratings & consensus and value for money. Best in winter.
Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses
Choose it for a leather and warm spicy character. Wins on community sentiment, longevity and sillage & projection. Best in winter, evening wear.

Écrin de Fumée2/7

Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses5/7

Ratings & consensus: Écrin de Fumée
Community sentiment: Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses
Longevity: Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses
Sillage & projection: Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses
Value for money: Écrin de Fumée
Versatility: Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses
Note pyramid (duration): Not scored
Fragranxe ranking: Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses

Head-to-head breakdown

Every category side by side, with the winner called out.

Fragrance

Écrin de FuméeSerge Lutens

Vanille Havane Cuir des AbyssesLes Indemodables

Winner

Ratings & consensus

Average rating and ownership split

4.17/ 5 · 1,515 votes

Have 83%Had 17%Want 0%

4.34/ 5 · 38 votes

Have 15%Had 1%Want 85%

Category winnerÉcrin de FuméeRating weighted by vote count

Community sentiment

How voters split from love to hate

47%Love

35%Like

10%Ok

6%Dislike

2%Hate

1,515 votes

68%Love

18%Like

3%Ok

0%Dislike

11%Hate

38 votes

Category winnerVanille Havane Cuir des AbyssesMost positive mix (25+ votes)

Longevity & sillage

0–100 community performance scores

⏱ Longevity71

〰 Sillage57

♥ Love / hate79

⏱ Longevity77

〰 Sillage64

♥ Love / hate84

Category winners

LongevityVanille Havane Cuir des Abysses

SillageVanille Havane Cuir des Abysses

Value for money

How fairly priced voters find it

¤ Price value50

¤ Price value20

Category winnerÉcrin de FuméeBest value score

Main accords

Strength of each scent family · outlined = shared by both

woody100%

cacao88%

smoky77%

tobacco65%

warm spicy53%

rum42%

leather100%

warm spicy92%

sweet84%

animalic77%

cacao69%

vanilla61%

Scent match31%Clearly different · both cacao and warm spicy

Note pyramid (duration)

Top, heart and base, with how long each lasts when known · gold = shared

Notes

CacaoRumSmokeTobaccoWoody Notes

No top / heart / base split published

Top20-30 mins

SpicesRumDried Fruits

Heart3-5 hrs

VanillaTobaccoCacaoFloral Notes

Base8-12+ hrs

Russian LeatherBirch TarWoody NotesAmberAnimal notes

InformationalShared notesCacao, Rum, Tobacco and Woody Notes. Durations are only published for Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses, so this is not scored.

Seasons & time of day

Relative to each fragrance's best season

Spring24

Summer12

Fall0

Winter100

Day–

Night–

Spring32

Summer11

Fall79

Winter100

Day24

Night100

Category winnerVanille Havane Cuir des AbyssesMost year-round

Who wears it

Gender appeal votes

Men41

Unisex53

Women5

Men48

Unisex48

Women5

Date 40%Party 30%Casual 20%Work 10%

InformationalProfile onlyAudience is not scored

Ranking & credits

Fragranxe overall rank, nose and launch

Overall rank#25,026

PerfumerNot listed

Launched—

Reviews0

Overall rank#13,638

PerfumerAntoine Lie

Launched—

Reviews6

Category winnerVanille Havane Cuir des AbyssesHigher overall rank

In a nutshell

Description & review snapshot

Serge Lutens introduces a dark, woody mood in Écrin de Fumée. This unisex scent combines dry tobacco leaf and roasted cacao beans with a warm, rum soaked opening. It sits close to the skin on winter nights, offering a cozy but smoky shadow that suits drinkers of black coffee and lovers of dark wool coats.

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Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses takes the rich, boozy core of the original Vanille Havane and plunges it into dark, smoky Russian leather. The first spray brings a warm rush of dark rum, dried raisins, and culinary spices that quickly settles into bitter cacao nibs and rich bourbon vanilla. Deep underneath, heavy birc…

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InformationalRead bothTaste is personal

How we score: ratings blend public fragrance ratings with Fragranxe member votes; longevity, sillage, value and sentiment are community vote scores, and season bars are relative to each fragrance's strongest season. Categories with too little data are shown but not scored. The scent match weighs accord overlap (60%) and shared notes (40%). More in the FAQ.

Common questions

Straight answers from the data above.

Which is better, Écrin de Fumée or Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses?

Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses takes 5 of 7 categories. Écrin de Fumée is rated 4.17/5 from 1,515 votes; Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses is rated 4.34/5 from 38 votes. Choose Écrin de Fumée for a woody and cacao character. Wins on ratings & consensus and value for money. Best in winter. Choose Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses for a leather and warm spicy character. Wins on community sentiment, longevity and sillage & projection. Best in winter, evening wear.

Which lasts longer, Écrin de Fumée or Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses?

Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses lasts longest (Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses 77/100, Écrin de Fumée 71/100), based on community performance votes.

Which projects more, Écrin de Fumée or Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses?

Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses projects furthest (Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses 64/100, Écrin de Fumée 57/100), based on community performance votes.

Do Écrin de Fumée and Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses smell similar?

Clearly different: a 31% scent match on Fragranxe. Both share cacao and warm spicy accords. Common notes include Cacao, Rum, Tobacco and Woody Notes.

Is Écrin de Fumée or Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses better for summer or winter?

For summer, Écrin de Fumée is the stronger pick. For winter, Écrin de Fumée is the stronger pick. Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses suits evening wear. Based on community season votes.

What are the notes in Écrin de Fumée and Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses?

Écrin de Fumée features Cacao, Rum, Smoke, Tobacco and Woody Notes. Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses has top notes of Spices, Rum and Dried Fruits, heart notes of Vanilla, Tobacco, Cacao and Floral Notes, a base of Russian Leather, Birch Tar, Woody Notes and Amber.