Fragrance comparison

Cuir de Russie vs Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23

Notes, accords, longevity, sillage, seasons and community ratings, side by side.

Updated 5 Nov 2026 259 ratings analysed

Cuir de Russie

Le Jardin Retrouve

4.00250 votes

Rank #7,626 WoodyViolet

Full profile Similar & dupes

45%scent match

Some overlap

Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23

Roja Dove

4.449 votes

Rank #37,791 WoodyWhite Floral

Full profile Similar & dupes

Quick verdict

Which one should you pick?

No clear winner: the 2 categories split 1–1.

Cuir de Russie
Choose it for a woody and violet character. Wins on fragranxe ranking. Best in fall, daytime wear.
Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23
Choose it for a woody and white floral character. Wins on sillage & projection. Best in spring, evening wear.

Cuir de Russie1/2

Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 231/2

Ratings & consensus: Not scored
Community sentiment: Not scored
Longevity: Not scored
Sillage & projection: Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23
Value for money: Not scored
Versatility: Not scored
Note pyramid (duration): Not scored
Fragranxe ranking: Cuir de Russie

Head-to-head breakdown

Every category side by side, with the winner called out.

Fragrance

Cuir de RussieLe Jardin Retrouve

Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23Roja Dove

Winner

Ratings & consensus

Average rating and ownership split

4.00/ 5 · 250 votes

Have 31%Had 8%Want 61%

4.44/ 5 · 9 votes

Have 25%Had 0%Want 75%

Category winnerNot enough dataRating weighted by vote count

Community sentiment

How voters split from love to hate

39%Love

35%Like

16%Ok

8%Dislike

2%Hate

250 votes

67%Love

22%Like

0%Ok

11%Dislike

0%Hate

9 votes · too few to score

Category winnerNot enough dataMost positive mix (25+ votes)

Longevity & sillage

0–100 community performance scores

⏱ Longevity60

〰 Sillage53

♥ Love / hate75

⏱ LongevityN/A

〰 Sillage75

♥ Love / hate86

Category winners

LongevityNo data

SillagePierre de Velay Extrait No. 23

Value for money

How fairly priced voters find it

¤ Price value49

¤ Price valueN/A

Category winnerNot enough dataBest value score

Main accords

Strength of each scent family · outlined = shared by both

woody100%

violet92%

powdery84%

amber77%

leather69%

fresh61%

woody100%

white floral92%

citrus84%

amber77%

powdery69%

animalic61%

Scent match45%Some overlap · both woody, amber and powdery

Note pyramid (duration)

Top, heart and base, with how long each lasts when known · gold = shared

Top30 to 45 minutes

AldehydesLimePetitgrainLemon

Heart2 to 3 hours

VioletStyraxViolet LeafYlang-YlangCedar

Base3 to 5 hours

LeatherOakmossPatchouliCade oilVetiverSandalwoodLabdanum

Top

Mandarin OrangeAldehydesBergamotOrange Blossom

Heart

JasmineClovesRoseYlang-YlangViolet

Base

SandalwoodBenzoinCedarVetiverOakmossTobaccoLeatherCivet

InformationalShared notesAldehydes, Violet, Ylang-Ylang and Cedar. Durations are only published for Cuir de Russie, so this is not scored.

Seasons & time of day

Relative to each fragrance's best season

Spring74

Summer26

Fall100

Winter81

Day100

Night74

Spring100

Summer0

Fall100

Winter100

Day–

Night100

Category winnerNot enough dataMost year-round

Who wears it

Gender appeal votes

Men19

Unisex58

Women23

Not enough votes yet

InformationalProfile onlyAudience is not scored

Ranking & credits

Fragranxe overall rank, nose and launch

Overall rank#7,626

PerfumerYuri Gutsatz

Launched—

Reviews35

Overall rank#37,791

PerfumerRoja Dove

Launched—

Reviews1

Category winnerCuir de RussieHigher overall rank

In a nutshell

Description & review snapshot

Cuir de Russie by Le Jardin Retrouve offers an airy, vintage style that contrasts crisp citrus with soft leather and green floral notes. Created in 1977 by perfumer Yuri Gutsatz, it begins with sparkling aldehydes, lemon, lime, and tart petitgrain. Rather than presenting a heavy, smoky hide, the core focuses on powder…

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Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23 reads as an old-school floral chypre with a bright citrus and aldehydic lift, then settles into a warmer, more sensual mix of white florals, oakmoss, woods, leather, and soft sweetness. It feels polished, vintage-leaning, and quite dressed up, especially if you enjoy rich florals with a …

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InformationalRead bothTaste is personal

How we score: ratings blend public fragrance ratings with Fragranxe member votes; longevity, sillage, value and sentiment are community vote scores, and season bars are relative to each fragrance's strongest season. Categories with too little data are shown but not scored. The scent match weighs accord overlap (60%) and shared notes (40%). More in the FAQ.

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Common questions

Straight answers from the data above.

Which is better, Cuir de Russie or Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23?

No clear winner: the 2 categories split 1–1. Cuir de Russie is rated 4.00/5 from 250 votes; Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23 is rated 4.44/5 from 9 votes. Choose Cuir de Russie for a woody and violet character. Wins on fragranxe ranking. Best in fall, daytime wear. Choose Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23 for a woody and white floral character. Wins on sillage & projection. Best in spring, evening wear.

Which projects more, Cuir de Russie or Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23?

Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23 projects furthest (Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23 75/100, Cuir de Russie 53/100), based on community performance votes.

Do Cuir de Russie and Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23 smell similar?

Some overlap: a 45% scent match on Fragranxe. Both share woody, amber and powdery accords. Common notes include Aldehydes, Violet, Ylang-Ylang and Cedar.

Is Cuir de Russie or Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23 better for summer or winter?

Cuir de Russie suits daytime wear; Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23 suits evening wear. Based on community season votes.

What are the notes in Cuir de Russie and Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23?

Cuir de Russie has top notes of Aldehydes, Lime, Petitgrain and Lemon, heart notes of Violet, Styrax, Violet Leaf and Ylang-Ylang, a base of Leather, Oakmoss, Patchouli and Cade oil. Pierre de Velay Extrait No. 23 has top notes of Mandarin Orange, Aldehydes, Bergamot and Orange Blossom, heart notes of Jasmine, Cloves, Rose and Ylang-Ylang, a base of Sandalwood, Benzoin, Cedar and Vetiver.