Fragrance comparison

Cuir de Russie vs Pierre de Velay No. 23

Notes, accords, longevity, sillage, seasons and community ratings, side by side.

Updated 5 Nov 2026 288 ratings analysed

4 wins

Cuir de Russie

Le Jardin Retrouve

4.00250 votes

Rank #7,626 WoodyViolet

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45%scent match

Some overlap

Pierre de Velay No. 23

Roja Dove

4.1138 votes

Rank #16,009 AmberWoody

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Quick verdict

Which one should you pick?

Cuir de Russie takes 4 of 7 categories.

Cuir de Russie
Choose it for a woody and violet character. Wins on ratings & consensus, community sentiment and value for money. Best in fall, daytime wear.
Pierre de Velay No. 23
Choose it for a amber and woody character. Wins on longevity, sillage & projection and versatility. Best in spring, evening wear.

Cuir de Russie4/7

Pierre de Velay No. 233/7

Ratings & consensus: Cuir de Russie
Community sentiment: Cuir de Russie
Longevity: Pierre de Velay No. 23
Sillage & projection: Pierre de Velay No. 23
Value for money: Cuir de Russie
Versatility: Pierre de Velay No. 23
Note pyramid (duration): Not scored
Fragranxe ranking: Cuir de Russie

Head-to-head breakdown

Every category side by side, with the winner called out.

Fragrance

Cuir de RussieLe Jardin Retrouve

Pierre de Velay No. 23Roja Dove

Winner

Ratings & consensus

Average rating and ownership split

4.00/ 5 · 250 votes

Have 31%Had 8%Want 61%

4.11/ 5 · 38 votes

Have 35%Had 11%Want 54%

Category winnerCuir de RussieRating weighted by vote count

Community sentiment

How voters split from love to hate

39%Love

35%Like

16%Ok

8%Dislike

2%Hate

250 votes

53%Love

24%Like

8%Ok

13%Dislike

3%Hate

38 votes

Category winnerCuir de RussieMost positive mix (25+ votes)

Longevity & sillage

0–100 community performance scores

⏱ Longevity60

〰 Sillage53

♥ Love / hate75

⏱ Longevity75

〰 Sillage61

♥ Love / hate78

Category winners

LongevityPierre de Velay No. 23

SillagePierre de Velay No. 23

Value for money

How fairly priced voters find it

¤ Price value49

¤ Price value38

Category winnerCuir de RussieBest value score

Main accords

Strength of each scent family · outlined = shared by both

woody100%

violet92%

powdery84%

amber77%

leather69%

fresh61%

amber100%

woody92%

animalic84%

musky77%

powdery69%

white floral61%

Scent match45%Some overlap · both woody, amber and powdery

Note pyramid (duration)

Top, heart and base, with how long each lasts when known · gold = shared

Top30 to 45 minutes

AldehydesLimePetitgrainLemon

Heart2 to 3 hours

VioletStyraxViolet LeafYlang-YlangCedar

Base3 to 5 hours

LeatherOakmossPatchouliCade oilVetiverSandalwoodLabdanum

Top

AldehydesBergamotMandarin Orange

Heart

Ylang-YlangJasmineVioletRose de MaiOrange Blossom

Base

AmbergrisCivetLabdanumLeatherMuskCedarOakmossTobacco

InformationalShared notesAldehydes, Violet, Ylang-Ylang and Cedar. Durations are only published for Cuir de Russie, so this is not scored.

Seasons & time of day

Relative to each fragrance's best season

Spring74

Summer26

Fall100

Winter81

Day100

Night74

Spring100

Summer31

Fall100

Winter77

Day83

Night100

Category winnerPierre de Velay No. 23Most year-round

Who wears it

Gender appeal votes

Men19

Unisex58

Women23

Men11

Unisex68

Women21

InformationalProfile onlyAudience is not scored

Ranking & credits

Fragranxe overall rank, nose and launch

Overall rank#7,626

PerfumerYuri Gutsatz

Launched—

Reviews35

Overall rank#16,009

PerfumerRoja Dove

Launched—

Reviews8

Category winnerCuir de RussieHigher overall rank

In a nutshell

Description & review snapshot

Cuir de Russie by Le Jardin Retrouve offers an airy, vintage style that contrasts crisp citrus with soft leather and green floral notes. Created in 1977 by perfumer Yuri Gutsatz, it begins with sparkling aldehydes, lemon, lime, and tart petitgrain. Rather than presenting a heavy, smoky hide, the core focuses on powder…

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Pierre de Velay No. 23 opens with bright aldehydes and soft citrus, then quickly settles into a powdery floral heart of ylang-ylang, jasmine, violet, rose and orange blossom. The real twist is underneath, where amber, leather, tobacco and animalic notes give it a darker, more intimate edge. It suits someone who enjoys…

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InformationalRead bothTaste is personal

How we score: ratings blend public fragrance ratings with Fragranxe member votes; longevity, sillage, value and sentiment are community vote scores, and season bars are relative to each fragrance's strongest season. Categories with too little data are shown but not scored. The scent match weighs accord overlap (60%) and shared notes (40%). More in the FAQ.

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Common questions

Straight answers from the data above.

Which is better, Cuir de Russie or Pierre de Velay No. 23?

Cuir de Russie takes 4 of 7 categories. Cuir de Russie is rated 4.00/5 from 250 votes; Pierre de Velay No. 23 is rated 4.11/5 from 38 votes. Choose Cuir de Russie for a woody and violet character. Wins on ratings & consensus, community sentiment and value for money. Best in fall, daytime wear. Choose Pierre de Velay No. 23 for a amber and woody character. Wins on longevity, sillage & projection and versatility. Best in spring, evening wear.

Which lasts longer, Cuir de Russie or Pierre de Velay No. 23?

Pierre de Velay No. 23 lasts longest (Pierre de Velay No. 23 75/100, Cuir de Russie 60/100), based on community performance votes.

Which projects more, Cuir de Russie or Pierre de Velay No. 23?

Pierre de Velay No. 23 projects furthest (Pierre de Velay No. 23 61/100, Cuir de Russie 53/100), based on community performance votes.

Do Cuir de Russie and Pierre de Velay No. 23 smell similar?

Some overlap: a 45% scent match on Fragranxe. Both share woody, amber and powdery accords. Common notes include Aldehydes, Violet, Ylang-Ylang and Cedar.

Is Cuir de Russie or Pierre de Velay No. 23 better for summer or winter?

For summer, Pierre de Velay No. 23 is the stronger pick. For winter, Cuir de Russie is the stronger pick. Cuir de Russie suits daytime wear; Pierre de Velay No. 23 suits evening wear. Based on community season votes.

What are the notes in Cuir de Russie and Pierre de Velay No. 23?

Cuir de Russie has top notes of Aldehydes, Lime, Petitgrain and Lemon, heart notes of Violet, Styrax, Violet Leaf and Ylang-Ylang, a base of Leather, Oakmoss, Patchouli and Cade oil. Pierre de Velay No. 23 has top notes of Aldehydes, Bergamot and Mandarin Orange, heart notes of Ylang-Ylang, Jasmine, Violet and Rose de Mai, a base of Ambergris, Civet, Labdanum and Leather.