Fragrance comparison

Lelas Noir Premier vs Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses

Notes, accords, longevity, sillage, seasons and community ratings, side by side.

Updated 19 Oct 2026 49 ratings analysed

Lelas Noir Premier

LELAS

4.0011 votes

Rank #39,886 SweetVanilla

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40%scent match

Some overlap

Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses

Les Indemodables

4.3438 votes

Rank #13,322 LeatherWarm Spicy

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Quick verdict

Which one should you pick?

No clear winner: the 6 categories split 3–3.

Lelas Noir Premier
Choose it for a sweet and vanilla character. Wins on longevity, sillage & projection and value for money. Best in winter, evening wear.
Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses
Choose it for a leather and warm spicy character. Wins on ratings & consensus, note pyramid duration and fragranxe ranking. Best in winter, evening wear.

Lelas Noir Premier3/6

Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses3/6

Ratings & consensus: Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses
Community sentiment: Not scored
Longevity: Lelas Noir Premier
Sillage & projection: Lelas Noir Premier
Value for money: Lelas Noir Premier
Versatility: Not scored
Note pyramid (duration): Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses
Fragranxe ranking: Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses

Head-to-head breakdown

Every category side by side, with the winner called out.

Fragrance

Lelas Noir PremierLELAS

Vanille Havane Cuir des AbyssesLes Indemodables

Winner

Ratings & consensus

Average rating and ownership split

4.00/ 5 · 11 votes

Have 16%Had 7%Want 77%

4.34/ 5 · 38 votes

Have 15%Had 1%Want 85%

Category winnerVanille Havane Cuir des AbyssesRating weighted by vote count

Community sentiment

How voters split from love to hate

55%Love

27%Like

0%Ok

0%Dislike

18%Hate

11 votes · too few to score

68%Love

18%Like

3%Ok

0%Dislike

11%Hate

38 votes

Category winnerNot enough dataMost positive mix (25+ votes)

Longevity & sillage

0–100 community performance scores

⏱ Longevity80

〰 Sillage75

♥ Love / hate75

⏱ Longevity77

〰 Sillage64

♥ Love / hate84

Category winners

LongevityLelas Noir Premier

SillageLelas Noir Premier

Value for money

How fairly priced voters find it

¤ Price value85

¤ Price value20

Category winnerLelas Noir PremierBest value score

Main accords

Strength of each scent family · outlined = shared by both

sweet100%

vanilla88%

tobacco77%

woody65%

warm spicy53%

fruity42%

leather100%

warm spicy92%

sweet84%

animalic77%

cacao69%

vanilla61%

Scent match40%Some overlap · both sweet, vanilla and warm spicy

Note pyramid (duration)

Top, heart and base, with how long each lasts when known · gold = shared

Top15-30 mins

TobaccoSpices

Heart2-4 hrs

Hazelnut cocoa spreadVanillaWhipped CreamTonka BeanJasmine

Base8-12 hrs

Dried FruitsWoodsy Notes

Top20-30 mins

SpicesRumDried Fruits

Heart3-5 hrs

VanillaTobaccoCacaoFloral Notes

Base8-12+ hrs

Russian LeatherBirch TarWoody NotesAmberAnimal notes

Category winnerVanille Havane Cuir des AbyssesLongest dry-down: 8-12+ hrs

Seasons & time of day

Relative to each fragrance's best season

Spring33

Summer22

Fall89

Winter100

Day35

Night100

Spring32

Summer11

Fall79

Winter100

Day24

Night100

Category winnerNot enough dataMost year-round

Who wears it

Gender appeal votes

Men30

Unisex60

Women10

Date 38%Party 30%Casual 24%Work 8%

Men48

Unisex48

Women5

Date 40%Party 30%Casual 20%Work 10%

InformationalProfile onlyAudience is not scored

Ranking & credits

Fragranxe overall rank, nose and launch

Overall rank#39,886

PerfumerNot listed

Launched—

Reviews3

Overall rank#13,322

PerfumerAntoine Lie

Launched—

Reviews6

Category winnerVanille Havane Cuir des AbyssesHigher overall rank

In a nutshell

Description & review snapshot

Lelas Noir Premier is an unashamedly rich gourmand that puts sweet pipe tobacco and hazelnut cocoa spread front and center. Spray it on, and you immediately get hit with warm cloves and dry tobacco leaf before a thick wave of whipped cream and vanilla takes over. It smells strikingly close to a cup of spiced holiday t…

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Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses takes the rich, boozy core of the original Vanille Havane and plunges it into dark, smoky Russian leather. The first spray brings a warm rush of dark rum, dried raisins, and culinary spices that quickly settles into bitter cacao nibs and rich bourbon vanilla. Deep underneath, heavy birc…

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InformationalRead bothTaste is personal

How we score: ratings blend public fragrance ratings with Fragranxe member votes; longevity, sillage, value and sentiment are community vote scores, and season bars are relative to each fragrance's strongest season. Categories with too little data are shown but not scored. The scent match weighs accord overlap (60%) and shared notes (40%). More in the FAQ.

Common questions

Straight answers from the data above.

Which is better, Lelas Noir Premier or Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses?

No clear winner: the 6 categories split 3–3. Lelas Noir Premier is rated 4.00/5 from 11 votes; Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses is rated 4.34/5 from 38 votes. Choose Lelas Noir Premier for a sweet and vanilla character. Wins on longevity, sillage & projection and value for money. Best in winter, evening wear. Choose Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses for a leather and warm spicy character. Wins on ratings & consensus, note pyramid duration and fragranxe ranking. Best in winter, evening wear.

Which lasts longer, Lelas Noir Premier or Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses?

Lelas Noir Premier lasts longest (Lelas Noir Premier 80/100, Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses 77/100), based on community performance votes.

Which projects more, Lelas Noir Premier or Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses?

Lelas Noir Premier projects furthest (Lelas Noir Premier 75/100, Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses 64/100), based on community performance votes.

Do Lelas Noir Premier and Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses smell similar?

Some overlap: a 40% scent match on Fragranxe. Both share sweet, vanilla and warm spicy accords. Common notes include Tobacco, Spices, Vanilla and Dried Fruits.

Is Lelas Noir Premier or Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses better for summer or winter?

Lelas Noir Premier suits evening wear; Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses suits evening wear. Based on community season votes.

What are the notes in Lelas Noir Premier and Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses?

Lelas Noir Premier has top notes of Tobacco and Spices, heart notes of Hazelnut cocoa spread, Vanilla, Whipped Cream and Tonka Bean, a base of Dried Fruits and Woodsy Notes. Vanille Havane Cuir des Abysses has top notes of Spices, Rum and Dried Fruits, heart notes of Vanilla, Tobacco, Cacao and Floral Notes, a base of Russian Leather, Birch Tar, Woody Notes and Amber.