Fragrance comparison

Lumière de Venise vs Unforgivable Women

Notes, accords, longevity, sillage, seasons and community ratings, side by side.

Updated 21 Oct 2026 760 ratings analysed

Lumière de Venise

Chabaud Maison de Parfum

3.6583 votes

Rank #16,763 CitrusWoody

Full profile Similar & dupes

50%scent match

Some overlap

4 wins

Unforgivable Women

Sean John

3.79677 votes

Rank #2,775 WoodyPowdery

Full profile Similar & dupes

Quick verdict

Which one should you pick?

Unforgivable Women takes 4 of 7 categories.

Lumière de Venise
Choose it for a citrus and woody character. Wins on longevity, sillage & projection and versatility. Best in spring, daytime wear.
Unforgivable Women
Choose it for a woody and powdery character. Wins on ratings & consensus, community sentiment and value for money. Best in winter.

Lumière de Venise3/7

Unforgivable Women4/7

Ratings & consensus: Unforgivable Women
Community sentiment: Unforgivable Women
Longevity: Lumière de Venise
Sillage & projection: Lumière de Venise
Value for money: Unforgivable Women
Versatility: Lumière de Venise
Note pyramid (duration): Not scored
Fragranxe ranking: Unforgivable Women

Head-to-head breakdown

Every category side by side, with the winner called out.

Fragrance

Lumière de VeniseChabaud Maison de Parfum

Unforgivable WomenSean John

Winner

Ratings & consensus

Average rating and ownership split

3.65/ 5 · 83 votes

Have 30%Had 18%Want 53%

3.79/ 5 · 677 votes

Have 58%Had 42%Want 0%

Category winnerUnforgivable WomenRating weighted by vote count

Community sentiment

How voters split from love to hate

28%Love

37%Like

10%Ok

23%Dislike

2%Hate

83 votes

30%Love

44%Like

3%Ok

23%Dislike

1%Hate

677 votes

Category winnerUnforgivable WomenMost positive mix (25+ votes)

Longevity & sillage

0–100 community performance scores

⏱ Longevity65

〰 Sillage65

♥ Love / hate66

⏱ Longevity62

〰 Sillage59

♥ Love / hate70

Category winners

LongevityLumière de Venise

SillageLumière de Venise

Value for money

How fairly priced voters find it

¤ Price value50

¤ Price value67

Category winnerUnforgivable WomenBest value score

Main accords

Strength of each scent family · outlined = shared by both

citrus100%

woody92%

patchouli84%

fruity77%

warm spicy69%

white floral61%

woody100%

powdery92%

fruity84%

citrus77%

earthy69%

fresh61%

Scent match50%Some overlap · both woody, citrus and fruity

Note pyramid (duration)

Top, heart and base, with how long each lasts when known · gold = shared

Top15-30 mins

GrapefruitBergamot

Heart2-4 hrs

PeachJasmineRoseViolet

Base6-8 hrs

PatchouliTonka BeanWoody NotesOakmossSandalwood

Top

PearBitter OrangeAppleCassiaGrapefruitNeroliBergamot

Heart

JasmineFreesiaOrange BlossomVioletRoseCyclamenLily-of-the-Valley

Base

SandalwoodPatchouliIrisTonka BeanCedarVanillaAmberOakmoss

InformationalShared notesGrapefruit, Bergamot, Jasmine and Rose. Durations are only published for Lumière de Venise, so this is not scored.

Seasons & time of day

Relative to each fragrance's best season

Spring100

Summer32

Fall77

Winter41

Day100

Night57

Spring88

Summer0

Fall0

Winter100

Day–

Night–

Category winnerLumière de VeniseMost year-round

Who wears it

Gender appeal votes

Men12

Unisex19

Women69

Work 38%Casual 32%Date 19%Party 11%

Men0

Unisex15

Women85

InformationalProfile onlyAudience is not scored

Ranking & credits

Fragranxe overall rank, nose and launch

Overall rank#16,763

PerfumerSophie Chabaud

Launched—

Reviews10

Overall rank#2,775

PerfumerDavid Apel

Launched—

Reviews146

Category winnerUnforgivable WomenHigher overall rank

In a nutshell

Description & review snapshot

Lumière de Venise opens with a sharp burst of bitter grapefruit and zesty bergamot. The citrus sparkles immediately. Within ten minutes, the initial solvent lift settles into a gentle heart of velvet peach, clean jasmine, and powdery violet petals. It feels crisp and light. As the drydown approaches, earthy patchouli …

Reviews →

Unforgivable Women by Sean John is a complex, woody, and powdery floral fragrance released in 2007. It centers on an intricate layering of pear, bitter orange, and neroli over a deep base of sandalwood and amber. This versatile scent performs well during the transition from summer to autumn, offering a balanced, non-s…

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InformationalRead bothTaste is personal

How we score: ratings blend public fragrance ratings with Fragranxe member votes; longevity, sillage, value and sentiment are community vote scores, and season bars are relative to each fragrance's strongest season. Categories with too little data are shown but not scored. The scent match weighs accord overlap (60%) and shared notes (40%). More in the FAQ.

Common questions

Straight answers from the data above.

Which is better, Lumière de Venise or Unforgivable Women?

Unforgivable Women takes 4 of 7 categories. Lumière de Venise is rated 3.65/5 from 83 votes; Unforgivable Women is rated 3.79/5 from 677 votes. Choose Lumière de Venise for a citrus and woody character. Wins on longevity, sillage & projection and versatility. Best in spring, daytime wear. Choose Unforgivable Women for a woody and powdery character. Wins on ratings & consensus, community sentiment and value for money. Best in winter.

Which lasts longer, Lumière de Venise or Unforgivable Women?

Lumière de Venise lasts longest (Lumière de Venise 65/100, Unforgivable Women 62/100), based on community performance votes.

Which projects more, Lumière de Venise or Unforgivable Women?

Lumière de Venise projects furthest (Lumière de Venise 65/100, Unforgivable Women 59/100), based on community performance votes.

Do Lumière de Venise and Unforgivable Women smell similar?

Some overlap: a 50% scent match on Fragranxe. Both share woody, citrus and fruity accords. Common notes include Grapefruit, Bergamot, Jasmine and Rose.

Is Lumière de Venise or Unforgivable Women better for summer or winter?

For summer, Lumière de Venise is the stronger pick. For winter, Unforgivable Women is the stronger pick. Lumière de Venise suits daytime wear. Based on community season votes.

What are the notes in Lumière de Venise and Unforgivable Women?

Lumière de Venise has top notes of Grapefruit and Bergamot, heart notes of Peach, Jasmine, Rose and Violet, a base of Patchouli, Tonka Bean, Woody Notes and Oakmoss. Unforgivable Women has top notes of Pear, Bitter Orange, Apple and Cassia, heart notes of Jasmine, Freesia, Orange Blossom and Violet, a base of Sandalwood, Patchouli, Iris and Tonka Bean.