Fragrance comparison

Red vs №4 by Phoenix

Notes, accords, longevity, sillage, seasons and community ratings, side by side.

Updated 14 Nov 2026 36 ratings analysed

Red

Max Philip

2.7731 votes

Rank #63,596 WoodyAmber

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75%scent match

Very similar

3 wins

№4 by Phoenix

Milton Lloyd

4.205 votes

Rank #55,841 WoodyAmber

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Quick verdict

Which one should you pick?

№4 by Phoenix takes 3 of 4 categories.

Red
Choose it for a woody and amber character. Wins on sillage & projection. Best in fall, evening wear.
№4 by Phoenix
Choose it for a woody and amber character. Wins on longevity, value for money and fragranxe ranking. Best in fall, evening wear.

Red1/4

№4 by Phoenix3/4

Ratings & consensus: Not scored
Community sentiment: Not scored
Longevity: №4 by Phoenix
Sillage & projection: Red
Value for money: №4 by Phoenix
Versatility: Not scored
Note pyramid (duration): Not scored
Fragranxe ranking: №4 by Phoenix

Head-to-head breakdown

Every category side by side, with the winner called out.

Fragrance

RedMax Philip

№4 by PhoenixMilton Lloyd

Winner

Ratings & consensus

Average rating and ownership split

2.77/ 5 · 31 votes

Have 32%Had 30%Want 38%

4.20/ 5 · 5 votes

Have 64%Had 18%Want 18%

Category winnerNot enough dataRating weighted by vote count

Community sentiment

How voters split from love to hate

3%Love

26%Like

29%Ok

29%Dislike

13%Hate

31 votes

60%Love

0%Like

40%Ok

0%Dislike

0%Hate

5 votes · too few to score

Category winnerNot enough dataMost positive mix (25+ votes)

Longevity & sillage

0–100 community performance scores

⏱ Longevity58

〰 Sillage57

♥ Love / hate44

⏱ Longevity72

〰 Sillage55

♥ Love / hate80

Category winners

Longevity№4 by Phoenix

SillageRed

Value for money

How fairly priced voters find it

¤ Price value55

¤ Price value80

Category winner№4 by PhoenixBest value score

Main accords

Strength of each scent family · outlined = shared by both

woody100%

amber88%

warm spicy77%

aromatic65%

fresh spicy53%

animalic42%

woody100%

amber92%

warm spicy84%

white floral77%

mossy69%

earthy61%

Scent match75%Very similar · both woody, amber and warm spicy

Note pyramid (duration)

Top, heart and base, with how long each lasts when known · gold = shared

Top

SaffronJasmine

Heart

AmbergrisAmberwood

Base

CedarFir Resin

Top

SaffronJasmine

Heart

AmbergrisAmberwood

Base

Fir ResinOakmossCedar

InformationalShared notesSaffron, Jasmine, Ambergris and Amberwood. Note durations are not published for these fragrances, so this is not scored.

Seasons & time of day

Relative to each fragrance's best season

Spring55

Summer36

Fall100

Winter55

Day88

Night100

Spring75

Summer75

Fall100

Winter100

Day75

Night100

Category winnerNot enough dataMost year-round

Who wears it

Gender appeal votes

Men0

Unisex37

Women63

Men20

Unisex60

Women20

InformationalProfile onlyAudience is not scored

Ranking & credits

Fragranxe overall rank, nose and launch

Overall rank#63,596

PerfumerNot listed

Launched—

Reviews1

Overall rank#55,841

PerfumerNot listed

Launched—

Reviews0

Category winner№4 by PhoenixHigher overall rank

In a nutshell

Description & review snapshot

Red opens with saffron and jasmine, then settles into a woody amber base with cedar and fir resin. On paper, the structure points to a modern spicy amber, but in wear it can come across drier, sharper, and more medicinal than the note list suggests. This looks better suited to cooler weather and to wearers who enjoy w…

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Milton Lloyd's №4 by Phoenix greets you with a sharp, medicinal burst of saffron and a very brief, clean jasmine note. Within minutes, the scent pivots toward a warm, synthetic amberwood structure that replicates the airy, sweet-salty aura of high-end ambergris perfumes. It clings to the skin with a resinous warmth, b…

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InformationalRead bothTaste is personal

How we score: ratings blend public fragrance ratings with Fragranxe member votes; longevity, sillage, value and sentiment are community vote scores, and season bars are relative to each fragrance's strongest season. Categories with too little data are shown but not scored. The scent match weighs accord overlap (60%) and shared notes (40%). More in the FAQ.

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Common questions

Straight answers from the data above.

Which is better, Red or №4 by Phoenix?

№4 by Phoenix takes 3 of 4 categories. Red is rated 2.77/5 from 31 votes; №4 by Phoenix is rated 4.20/5 from 5 votes. Choose Red for a woody and amber character. Wins on sillage & projection. Best in fall, evening wear. Choose №4 by Phoenix for a woody and amber character. Wins on longevity, value for money and fragranxe ranking. Best in fall, evening wear.

Which lasts longer, Red or №4 by Phoenix?

№4 by Phoenix lasts longest (№4 by Phoenix 72/100, Red 58/100), based on community performance votes.

Which projects more, Red or №4 by Phoenix?

Projection is very close: Red 57/100, №4 by Phoenix 55/100 for sillage.

Do Red and №4 by Phoenix smell similar?

Very similar: a 75% scent match on Fragranxe. Both share woody, amber and warm spicy accords. Common notes include Saffron, Jasmine, Ambergris and Amberwood.

Is Red or №4 by Phoenix better for summer or winter?

Red suits evening wear; №4 by Phoenix suits evening wear. Based on community season votes.

What are the notes in Red and №4 by Phoenix?

Red has top notes of Saffron and Jasmine, heart notes of Ambergris and Amberwood, a base of Cedar and Fir Resin. №4 by Phoenix has top notes of Saffron and Jasmine, heart notes of Ambergris and Amberwood, a base of Fir Resin, Oakmoss and Cedar.