Fragrance comparison

Source Saint-Clair vs Black Suede

Notes, accords, longevity, sillage, seasons and community ratings, side by side.

Updated 15 Nov 2026 561 ratings analysed

Source Saint-Clair

Joseph Duclos

4.001 votes

Rank #67,405 AmberWoody

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49%scent match

Some overlap

4 wins

Black Suede

Avon

3.88560 votes

Rank #27,843 MuskyAmber

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Quick verdict

Which one should you pick?

Black Suede takes 4 of 4 categories.

Source Saint-Clair
Choose it for a amber and woody character. Best in fall, evening wear.
Black Suede
Choose it for a musky and amber character. Wins on longevity, sillage & projection and value for money. Best in winter.

Source Saint-Clair0/4

Black Suede4/4

Ratings & consensus: Not scored
Community sentiment: Not scored
Longevity: Black Suede
Sillage & projection: Black Suede
Value for money: Black Suede
Versatility: Not scored
Note pyramid (duration): Not scored
Fragranxe ranking: Black Suede

Head-to-head breakdown

Every category side by side, with the winner called out.

Fragrance

Source Saint-ClairJoseph Duclos

Black SuedeAvon

Winner

Ratings & consensus

Average rating and ownership split

4.00/ 5 · 1 votes

Have 8%Had 4%Want 88%

3.88/ 5 · 560 votes

Have 63%Had 37%Want 0%

Category winnerNot enough dataRating weighted by vote count

Community sentiment

How voters split from love to hate

0%Love

100%Like

0%Ok

0%Dislike

0%Hate

1 vote · too few to score

26%Love

51%Like

8%Ok

12%Dislike

2%Hate

560 votes

Category winnerNot enough dataMost positive mix (25+ votes)

Longevity & sillage

0–100 community performance scores

⏱ Longevity60

〰 Sillage50

♥ Love / hate75

⏱ Longevity62

〰 Sillage55

♥ Love / hate72

Category winners

LongevityBlack Suede

SillageBlack Suede

Value for money

How fairly priced voters find it

¤ Price value50

¤ Price value88

Category winnerBlack SuedeBest value score

Main accords

Strength of each scent family · outlined = shared by both

amber100%

woody92%

vanilla84%

warm spicy77%

musky69%

floral61%

musky100%

amber92%

powdery84%

woody77%

warm spicy69%

fresh spicy61%

Scent match49%Some overlap · both amber, woody and musky

Note pyramid (duration)

Top, heart and base, with how long each lasts when known · gold = shared

Top

Calabrian bergamotYlang-YlangJasmineHedioneHeliotropeTimur

Heart

CloveCedar EssenceIndonesian Patchouli LeafPrecious Woods

Base

AmbroxanSiam BenzoinMyrrhOpoponaxTonka BeanVanilla AbsoluteAmbrette (Musk Mallow)Musk

Top

NutmegAldehydesCarnationCorianderGreen NotesBergamot

Heart

CloveOrrisLeatherVetiverRoseLavenderHeliotropeThyme

Base

MuskAmberWoodsy NotesOakmossCivetSuedeOpoponaxAnise

InformationalShared notesCalabrian bergamot, Heliotrope, Clove and Opoponax. Note durations are not published for these fragrances, so this is not scored.

Seasons & time of day

Relative to each fragrance's best season

Spring0

Summer0

Fall100

Winter100

Day–

Night100

Spring42

Summer25

Fall0

Winter100

Day–

Night–

Category winnerNot enough dataMost year-round

Who wears it

Gender appeal votes

Men0

Unisex0

Women100

Men84

Unisex12

Women5

InformationalProfile onlyAudience is not scored

Ranking & credits

Fragranxe overall rank, nose and launch

Overall rank#67,405

PerfumerNathalie Feisthauer

Launched—

Reviews0

Overall rank#27,843

PerfumerNot listed

Launched—

Reviews0

Category winnerBlack SuedeHigher overall rank

In a nutshell

Description & review snapshot

Source Saint-Clair opens with a bright splash of Calabrian bergamot and sweet ylang-ylang. The scent quickly settles into a warm, spiced woody heart before melting into a rich base of Siam benzoin and vanilla absolute. It wears as a smooth, resinous option best suited for cozy autumn nights.

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Avon Black Suede opens with a sharp burst of soapy aldehydes, spicy nutmeg, and crisp carnation. Within fifteen minutes, the initial brightness settles into a darker heart of warm clove, aromatic lavender, and herbal thyme. The dry down hugs the skin with powdery amber, mossy oakmoss, and soft suede musk. It sits warm…

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InformationalRead bothTaste is personal

How we score: ratings blend public fragrance ratings with Fragranxe member votes; longevity, sillage, value and sentiment are community vote scores, and season bars are relative to each fragrance's strongest season. Categories with too little data are shown but not scored. The scent match weighs accord overlap (60%) and shared notes (40%). More in the FAQ.

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Common questions

Straight answers from the data above.

Which is better, Source Saint-Clair or Black Suede?

Black Suede takes 4 of 4 categories. Source Saint-Clair is rated 4.00/5 from 1 votes; Black Suede is rated 3.88/5 from 560 votes. Choose Source Saint-Clair for a amber and woody character. Best in fall, evening wear. Choose Black Suede for a musky and amber character. Wins on longevity, sillage & projection and value for money. Best in winter.

Which lasts longer, Source Saint-Clair or Black Suede?

They last about the same: Black Suede 62/100, Source Saint-Clair 60/100 for longevity in community votes.

Which projects more, Source Saint-Clair or Black Suede?

Black Suede projects furthest (Black Suede 55/100, Source Saint-Clair 50/100), based on community performance votes.

Do Source Saint-Clair and Black Suede smell similar?

Some overlap: a 49% scent match on Fragranxe. Both share amber, woody and musky accords. Common notes include Calabrian bergamot, Heliotrope, Clove and Opoponax.

Is Source Saint-Clair or Black Suede better for summer or winter?

Source Saint-Clair suits evening wear. Based on community season votes.

What are the notes in Source Saint-Clair and Black Suede?

Source Saint-Clair has top notes of Calabrian bergamot, Ylang-Ylang, Jasmine and Hedione, heart notes of Clove, Cedar Essence, Indonesian Patchouli Leaf and Precious Woods, a base of Ambroxan, Siam Benzoin, Myrrh and Opoponax. Black Suede has top notes of Nutmeg, Aldehydes, Carnation and Coriander, heart notes of Clove, Orris, Leather and Vetiver, a base of Musk, Amber, Woodsy Notes and Oakmoss.